It's been some time since I posted. I drew the whole Anton series and posted them. Then I started in on the Sturmboke and suddenly Simon pointed out to me that my landing gear was wrong. This is why we post here....to get a critique on our work. Everyone is invited to poke sharp sticks at your work until nobody can find holes in it anymore. I thought to myself that Simon had pointed out someting so obvious I couldn't believe I had missed it. Blame Vacajun's Eclectic Electric Endless Beer Fridge, since my mind seemed obviously impaired. I started to go through things with a fine toothed comb, and it wasn't just the wheel pants that were wrong. After going almost blind looking at thousands of photos, this is what I arrived at......
Last edited by Otterkins2; 15th August 2010 at 07:32.
It's been some time since I posted. I drew the whole Anton series and posted them. Then I started in on the Sturmboke and suddenly Simon pointed out to me that my landing gear was wrong. This is why we post here....to get a critique on our work. Everyone is invited to poke sharp sticks at your work until nobody can find holes in it anymore. I thought to myself that Simon had pointed out someting so obvious I couldn't believe I had missed it. Blame Vacajun's Eclectic Electric Endless Beer Fridge, since my mind seemed obviously impaired. I started to go through things with a fine toothed comb, and it wasn't just the wheel pants that were wrong. After going almost blind looking at thousands of photos, this is what I arrived at......
Hello Otterskins,
i am currently working on the Fw 190 too, as i will rewrite the article of this particular aircraft on the german wikipedia and deliver drawings of all versions and colour profiles as well. It seems that we came to very similar conclusions - for comparison i posted my version of the Fw 190 A-8. It's still not finished yet as some details have to be added, but i'm quite satisfied with the result. And i can see no big differences between your work and mine! So i hope we will both come near to an end...
I have deliberately not included underwing/underbody stores for a very good reason. These drawings are designed as a "kit series" so to speak. With the inclusion of another separate drawing you can assemble all of the A, F and G series simply by swaping out parts and is intended to make life easier for the colour profiler.
Congratulations on getting the fuselage shape nearly smack on. A few minor tweaks and you're good to go. You'll find a lot of pros don't get it as close as you have. The tail however is woefully out of shape and needs to be completely reworked. I suggest you go through your photo references very carefully as a lot of your interior detail work on the fuselage is either wrong or misplaced too. Check the armament and gear leg length as well. When doing profiles, there's no such thing as too much information. Good luck!
Here's a few photos to help you along. The first should help you get the tail right. Notice the cowl fasteners in the second one. Note also that There is only the elongated blister near the bottom of the MG cowl. The round one was discontinued after the A-4. Ignore the balistic trough covers as these were only for mistels and other specialized types. The pic of the gear door is so good you could trace it and use it, but remember about 3" of the end were hidden inside the wing when the gear was opened. See the colour change? The next one shows you not all ETC 501's had the aerodynamic fairing on them. Notice also the shape of the lower exhaust outlet. Lastly, the vertical antenna setup. The attachment point was common to all 190's with a vertical antenna line. The small rectangular radio inspection hatch was on all 190's from the A-5 onwards and that is what you are mistaking for the attachment point. Hope that gets you started.
Remember, this is the BEST place to post your work to iron the bugs out of it. When no one can shoot holes in it anymore, you're ready to go public with it. Extremely knowledgeable and very helpful people here. Yer so close already! By the way, this is the fourth rework of the 190 series for me and I'm still hammering out dents. Don't even ask how many times I re-did the Bf-109 before it reached perfection.
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after your advice i changed some rivet lines, the shape of the tail and the landing gear and some other minor details. Thank you for that great opportunity to achieve a work that is as close to the original as possible! I learnt from my work on the Bf 109 for the german wikipedia how important it is, to make a good job - as all of my Bf 109 profiles were more or less wrong!
The thing i am still not quite sure about are the horizontal rivet lines on the cowling. I have a photo of an original aircraft in a museum that shows these lines very clearly but i have never seen them on any other photo or on any drawing before. I would like to ask you for your advice if i should get rid of them or not...?
Done some ground work on this too, but house work (moving all the PC's and TV's around in the house) has slowed me down a fair old whack. On top of that, the good old reinstall and re-case of 2 PC's.
Herr Huber, you have more to concern yourself with than simple rivets. There are many basic lines that are either wrong or misplaced. I suggest that you get those things corrected first before concerning yourself with the rivets. Here is a larger, clearer copy of my A-8 to compare with. It may not be 100% right, but it is very close to it.
The second image taken from the pilot's handbook clearly demonstrates that there are no horizontal rivet lines in the position you show them in.
Make a point of NEVER trusting anyone else's work (not even mine) until you have thoroughly researched actual serving examples of your subject. Don't trust museum restorations either because in many cases parts have been replaced or re-fabricated. The only thing you can trust is actual wartime photos and that means books....a lot of them! I bet I have $5000 tied up in the damn things and I still miss stuff.
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