Ever closer . . . .

[Jesters-Ink]

Something for you gents to have a pick at . . . . . . .

Works numbers for both AC would be very handy if anyone knows them pls.
Grafs AC whilst he was with JG/50r.



Much thanksness to Otter for new info.

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Are you sure its "Green 1"?..I thought it was "Red 1".
Bf-109G-6 (Wk-Nr 15913)

[CRIPES_A_MIGHTY]

Thats the number for the one with the Red nose.

[CRIPES_A_MIGHTY]

Looks like he flew a number of aircraft with JG/50.
Bf 109 G-6/R2 W.Nr. 15919 "Green 1"

[Jesters-Ink]

That will go into the pool with the rest of the data I have here thanks Cripes.

And another updated work------>

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Hey!..no probs...I pretty good at digging up info online..etc.
I got some info online and some from books I have.


That JG27?... I know they had white ID band in N.Africa..and then some had green ID bands, when some were transfered to the defence of Germany in late 44...I think...well sure.
There are a couple JG27 aircraft I'd like for my website.
Attached the Graf Red 1 for you.
The "Yellow 14" and "Yellow 9". Are the 2 I'm after.
They are the last two 109's shot down by Major.Preddy just before his untimely death.
The problem is there seems to be so many variations of RLM schemes for JG27, Ive been unable to locate a good profile of said unit, II/JG27.
I have a few pictures..but nothing realy seems to match the picture.
Also the idea was to create a "Last Flight" mission for IL2 1946.
Oh well...

[Jesters-Ink]

Hey Cripes you really are addicted aren’t you
First rule of thumb, don't trust anything or anyone, not even the pilot of any given AC less he under 21 years of age. No disrespect, but most of um couldn't even tell you what mark aircraft they flew let alone colour or markings.
The internet is invariably wrong most of the time and books can be as bad.

What you have to do is gather as much data on your subject as you can, then keep looking well past the point at which you think you have enough.
Talk to everyone.

The drawing takes no time at all, gathering all the necessary data takes forever.

Here is an example for you to have a read through, its quite an education.


--> Hauptmann Gustav Rodel's G-4 help please - Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum

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Very true. I remember an interview of a Russian ace who was shocked when the interviewer mentioned Ju 88 used as dive-bombers. He said it was perfectly untrue and ridiculous and accused the reporter of incompetence, simply because he'd never seen or heard about it. He was perfectly sincere, and the reporter wisely chose to shut up and go on with the interview.

So one can suppose that they would forget details, especially 40,50 or 60 years later. Often administrative sources or mechanics will provide better evidence concerning numbers, colours, etc...

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Didn't we go through this ones before? I could have sworn...

I take it you don’t have the Graf & Grislawski book? I still think that will be your best source. If it's too expensive, sell some more prints
Seriously, I think I've posted this stuff so it's probably old news but...
A Portuguese (?) website that lists Green 1 as being W.Nr.15913-
http://www.luftwaffe39-45.historia.n.../graf.htm]graf
An early Claes Sundin profile, no W.Nr. listed-

Two profiles from the Graf & Grislawski book by Sundin-
(I'm sure you've seen these Jester )


It's pretty easy to surmise that information on the color of the fuselage number must have come up in the preparations for the book
Without the book, I think your best bet is to try here-
The Luftwaffe Archives & Records Reference Group - Powered by vBulletin
Not sure what section of the forum you should ask your questions on but someone there will know the answers

Almost forgot, I think you should knock back the happy hunter badge, it looks like it's trying to be in front of the wing instead of on the fuselage. Maybe tone the colors down? You'll see Claes has a similar problem on his.

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